:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => This transmission is best viewed on a non-proportionally spaced full screen. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => DIRECTORY ASSISTANCE FOR INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR RADIO/INTERNET DEVICES. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => THIS IS THE TELNET NEWS/LAND LINE LID THIS WEEK FOR RELEASE: SATURDAY FEBRUARY 21, 2004 22:00 EST ::: ::: ::: ::: ::::::::: ::::::::: ::::::::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::::::::: ::::::::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: : ::::::::: : ::::::::: : ::::::::: => ON THE ROAD TO CHILE, ITALY, SARDINIA! => RANDOM ACCESS THOUGHT: BIG BROTHER...OR SOME BROTHER IS LISTENING! => THE STANDARD FOR THE TRANSMISSION OF IP DATAGRAMS VIA AVIAN CARRIERS! => RANDOM ACCESS FILE: THESE ARE THE END DAYS OF AMATEUR RADIO! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => The TELNET NEWS/LAND LINE LID THIS WEEK is distributed via text and 7PLUS over both amateur radio and Internet message forwarding systems. => Free Internet email subscription - send request to: => Any JPEG or GIF images you wish to share? Send to: => The TELNET NEWS/LAND LINE LID THIS WEEK is officially archived at: ae6jn.ampr.org [44.16.2.46] at Cerritos, California. On global NETROM lists look for CERTO5:AE6JN-7. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: AMATEUR RADIO: CE2 - CHILE ............................................................................ CE2BNL-2 Valparaiso (vicinity) CL SA Kantronics KAMP 7.0 => telnet://ed4zaa.ampr.org:telnet/C CE2EIE-6/C AX0 CE2BNL-2 => This appears to be an individual amateur radio Terminal Node Controller personal mailbox rather than a dedicated network device. => Session scrollback: --- PUCVAL:CE2EIE-6 Connected to CE2BNL-2 [KAMP-7.0-HM$] 480000 BYTES AVAILABLE THERE ARE NO MESSAGES ENTER COMMAND: B,J,K,L,R,S, or Help > CE2RL-15/V > CE2RL-2 17.12.05 16:39:51 PU3XGS-15/V > CE2MH 17.12.06 21:47:09 CT2IFT-15/V > CE2LM 17.12.09 23:49:05 RK3KPK-15/V > CE2LM 17.12.18 21:37:31 CE2RL-2/V > CE2MH 17.12.21 13:18:52 CE2RL/V > ID 17.12.21 13:28:13 CA4FAV-15/V > CE2MH 17.12.21 14:48:39 TI3AMM-15/V > CE2LM 17.12.21 16:50:51 PU1WAX-15/V > CE2LM 18.01.19 10:25:15 CE2BNL/V > CE2BNL-2 08.02.04 19:40:19 LU2AKL-1/V > CE2LM 08.02.10 08:54:01 LU6ERO-15/V > CE2LM 08.02.10 13:41:19 SV1AAW-12/V* > CE2LM 08.02.10 20:29:45 VIA *CE2EIE-11 CE2LM/V > CE2QN 08.02.10 21:02:16 CE2LM-6/V > CE2EIE-6 08.02.10 21:03:33 CE2EIE-6/V > CE2LM-6 08.02.10 21:24:24 CE2MH/V > MAIL 08.02.10 21:25:17 VIA CE2MH CE2EIE/V > ID 08.02.11 00:37:37 N2FNH-15/V > CE2BNL-2 08.02.11 00:47:08 ENTER COMMAND: B,J,K,L,R,S, or Help > ............................................................................ PUCVAL:CE2EIE-6 Valparaiso CL SA telnet://158.251.8.150:23 JNOS version 1.10m Gw (CE6EZG) telnet://pc8-150.ucv.cl:telnet (ax0) 145.0100MHz/1200b => telnet://ed4zaa.ampr.org:telnet/C CE2EIE-6 - or - telnet direct. => The Sysop is Jose Rubio Hornauer CE2RL. => Sponsered by Escuela de Ingenieria Electrica, Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Valparaiso Chile. => Session scrollback: --- Interlink setup... *** connected to CE2EIE-6 [JNOS-1.10m Gw(CE6EZG)-IHM$] You have 0 messages. PUCVAL:CE2EIE-6 (#0) > JNOS version 1.10m Gw(CE6EZG) (80386) BIENVENIDO: Sistema TCP/IP de CE2EIE Escuela de Ingenieria Electrica Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Valparaiso Chile SYSOP : CE2RL, Jose Rubio Hornauer EMail : ce2rl@pc8-150.ucv.cl jrubio@ucv.cl PUCVAL:CE2EIE-6 (#0) > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ISO IZ5 - ITALY ............................................................................ IS0GRB-7 Quartu Cagliari South Sardinia Island IT EU 44.134.16.1:23 JM49OF (X)NET V1.32 Linux is0grb.ampr.org:telnet 44.134.20.1:23 is0grb.w0s.it.ampr.org:telnet => telnet://ed4zaa.ampr.org:telnet/C IS0GRB-7 => The Sysop is Roberto IS0GRB. => There is an associated LINUXBOX personal mail system available. => Session scrollback: --- Interlink setup... *** connected to IS0GRB-7 Welcome in Quartu (CAGLIARI) - JM49OF south Sardinia island- Italy (D)estanations,(IN)nfo,(N)etrom,(Q)uit Wireless Ham Net 22Mbit LAN is0grb.ampr.org - 44.134.16.1 http://www.is0grb.it => Session scrollback: --- *** IS0GRB-7 *** (X)net v1.32 *** Rete Wi-Fi Ham 22Mbit Cagliari *** Localita'.......: Quartu (CA) - JM49OF Software........: (X)net v1.32 per Linux SysOp...........: IS0GRB Roberto IP..............: 44.134.20.1 Hostname........: is0grb.w0s.it.ampr.org Servizi.........: http, ftp, irc, dns, pop3, smtp, aprs, dxcluster, bbs, voip Qrg.............: 1) LinuxNode => Session scrollback: --- Welcome to LINUXBOX. Logins: 1 Hello N2FNH For input of Your name see command: name no mails for N2FNH. (N2FNH) N2FNH de IS0GRB> TURBO-FIRMWARE/300 1.87 and TNC3BOX/150 1.35 running on LINUX with 8 MHz and 0 KByte RAM Uptime 6/22:13 Modem 1: 230400 Baud Modem 2: 230400 Baud (N2FNH) N2FNH de IS0GRB> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK WATCH - SARDINIA ISLAND, ITALY The following AMPRNet/Internet addresses are currently listed as valid. There is no guarantee that the user can actually reach any of these locations. Some may be directly accessible via the Internet while others may lie within radio range of a strategic PACKET RADIO<>INTERNET gateway. ............................................................................ is0grb.0s.it.ampr.org (44.134.16.1) is0xda.0s.it.ampr.org (44.134.16.2) is0wbt.0s.it.ampr.org (44.134.16.3) is0myn.0s.it.ampr.org (44.134.16.4) is0rxi.0s.it.ampr.org (44.134.16.5) is0hmb.0s.it.ampr.org (44.134.16.6) --- An attempt to scan the address range 44.134.20.0-44.134.20.50 produced no valid results. ............................................................................ IZ5CCS Firenze Sud IT EU JN53PS PC/FlexNet V3.3g (2) 145.5500MHz/1200b (0) 430.0250MHz/19K2b (1) 435.5500MHz/9600b => telnet://ed4zaa.ampr.org:telnet/C IS0GRB-7/C IZ5CCS => The Sysop is Giampiero IZ5CCS. => Session scrollback: --- *** connected to IZ5CCS PC/FlexNet V3.3g Welcome on the experimental NODE IZ5CCS PC/FlexNet v.3.3e SEZIONE ARI FIRENZE Locator JN53PS Firenze Sud Sysop Giampiero IZ5CCS ZDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD? 3 I Z 5 C C S - Euro <> Link - FIRENZE SUD Locator JN53PS 3 CDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD4 3 Port 0 : 430.025 Mhz 19k2 Bd (G3RUH) ATTIVA 3 3 Port 1 : 435.550 Mhz 9K6 Bd (G3RUH) NON ATTIVA 3 3 Port 2 : 145.550 Mhz 1K2 Bd (BayCom) ATTIVA 3 3 Port 3 : Mhz 2k4 Bd (BAYCOM) 3 CDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDBDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD4 3 (D)estinations (I)nfo 3 Sysop: Giampiero 3 3 (H)elp (P)orts (L)inks 3 3 3 (M) Local bbs : IZ5CCS-8 3 IZ5CCS@IW5CLQ.ITOS.ITA.EU 3 @DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDY ............................................................................ IZ5CCS-8 Firenze Sud IT EU JN53PS TSTH-143c => telnet://ed4zaa.ampr.org:telnet/C IS0GRB-7/C IZ5CCS/ => The Sysop is Giampiero IZ5CCS. => Session scrollback: --- *** connected to IZ5CCS-8 [TSTH-143c-BFMH$] Salve ? Sei connesso col PMS di IZ5CCS Connesso Dom Feb 15 06:32:18 2004 Questa la tua prima connessione con questo PMS, digita N per registrarti. Messaggi da 115086 a 184069 Disco disponibile:-> C: D: Premi ? per Help No messaggi per te. ZDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD? 3 I Z 5 C C S - Op Giampiero - FIRENZE SUD - Locator JN53PS 3 CDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD4 3 Port 0 : uhf 19K2 Bd (G3RUH) ATTIVO link IW5CLQ 3 3 Port 1 : 435.550 Mhz 9K6 Bd (G3RUH) non ATTIVO 3 3 Port 2 : 144.550 Mhz 1K2 Bd (BAYCOM) ATTIVO utenti 3 3 Port 3 : Mhz 2K4 Bd (BAYCOM) non ATTIVO 3 @DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDY -------->E' a disposizione con il comando PG le funzioni Yserv <-------- E' in funzione il TstDos per l'emulazione dei comandi DOS digita: D ----- per l'help digita: ? ----- IZ5CCS_PMS 1.43c (B,D,K,I,L,N,PG,R,S,T,V,YD,YU,W,XR,?,@)=> ............................................................................ AWGNET:IZ0AWG-2 [NF] IT EU 44.134.33.199:23 LinuxNode v0.3.0 iz0awg.ampr.org:telnet 44.134.33.199:fbb iz0awg.ampr.org:fbb => telnet://ed4zaa.ampr.org:telnet/C IS0GRB-7/C IZ5CCS/C IZ0AWG-2 => There is an associated IZ0AWG packet bulletinboard system. During this session, access was denied to the BBS. => Session scrollback: --- *** connected to IZ0AWG-2 AWGNET:IZ0AWG-2 Welcome to iz0awg.ampr.org network node AWGNET:IZ0AWG-2 LinuxNode v0.3.0 AWGNET:IZ0AWG-2 Commands: ?, APRS, APRS2, BBS, Bye, CAllbook, Connect, CONVers, Escape, Finger Help, HOst, Info, IR0ANZ, IRC, IW7EAS, LAN, Links, Mheard, NLinks Nodes, PIng, Ports, Q, Routes, SPIDER, SPIDER, Status, TAlk, Telnet Users, XNET, ZConnect, ZTelnet => Session scrollback: --- AWGNET:IZ0AWG-2 Trying 44.134.33.199:fbb... Type to abort AWGNET:IZ0AWG-2 Connected to 44.134.33.199:fbb IZ0AWG BBS. TELNET Access Callsign : n2fnh Unregistered callsign "N2FNH" ! Callsign : n2fnh Unregistered callsign "N2FNH" ! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK WATCH - The following AMPRNet/Internet addresses are currently listed as valid. There is no guarantee that the user can actually reach any of these locations. Some may be directly accessible via the Internet while others may lie within radio range of a strategic PACKET RADIO<>INTERNET gateway. ............................................................................ iw5dce.ampr.org (44.134.33.101) i0tvl.ampr.org (44.134.33.102) iz0afa.ampr.org (44.134.33.103) iw0efy.ampr.org (44.134.33.104) iw0ejp.ampr.org (44.134.33.105) iw0ehs.ampr.org (44.134.33.106) iw0fko.ampr.org (44.134.33.107) ik0dje.linux.ampr.org (44.134.33.110) ik0dje.echo.ampr.org (44.134.33.111) iw0dnz.ampr.org (44.134.33.112) iw0epn.ampr.org (44.134.33.113) iz0bec.ampr.org (44.134.33.114) i0oeu.ampr.org (44.134.33.115) ik0oky.ampr.org (44.134.33.116) lab.iw0dea.ampr.org (44.134.33.117) iw0bet.ampr.org (44.134.33.118) iw0dei.ampr.org (44.134.33.119) i0ykn.ampr.org (44.134.33.120) iw1cxz.ampr.org (44.134.33.121) ik0bdo.ampr.org (44.134.33.122) i0owo.ampr.org (44.134.33.123) iz0bfk.ampr.org (44.134.33.124) ik0rww.ampr.org (44.134.33.125) iz0coi.ampr.org (44.134.33.126) gw.ik0qkq.ampr.org (44.134.33.127) ik0rww-9.ampr.org (44.134.33.128) gw.ik0xfa.ampr.org (44.134.33.168) --- During this session, the IP address 44.134.33.199 could not be resolved and an attempt to ping the same address produced no response. Also, an attempt to resolve the associated domain name produced no valid result. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => RANDOM ACCESS THOUGHT - 040221 - BIG BROTHER...OR SOME BROTHER IS LISTENING! This past Thursday evening at the social meeting of the Schenectady Museum Amateur Radio Club, one of our members, Glen KC2IDF, advised that anyone so interested could now click on his website and listen to archived MP3 audio of all activities on the 146.79MHz W2IR repeater. The archives consist of 15 minute compressed blocks of audio for each quarter-hour segment throughout the day. An interesting idea for a number of reasons. This is synonymous to listening to airchecks at a broadcast radio station. You can now review your daily QSOs to see how you can improve your content and on-the-air presentation! Bill.> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => What follows is another in a series of "Requests For Comment" that the TELNET NEWS/LAND LINE LID THIS WEEK has unearthed at various information repositories. RFCs are documents composed and written detailing certain standards or operational protocols for use within the Internet community. Some of these otherwise dry commentaries may actually make for some unusual if not interesting reading. Bill.> ............................................................................ RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers Network Working Group D. Waitzman Request for Comments: 1149 BBN STC 1 April 1990 A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers Status of this Memo This memo describes an experimental method for the encapsulation of IP datagrams in avian carriers. This specification is primarily useful in Metropolitan Area Networks. This is an experimental, not recommended standard. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. Overview and Rational Avian carriers can provide high delay, low throughput, and low altitude service. The connection topology is limited to a single point-to-point path for each carrier, used with standard carriers, but many carriers can be used without significant interference with each other, outside of early spring. This is because of the 3D ether space available to the carriers, in contrast to the 1D ether used by IEEE802.3. The carriers have an intrinsic collision avoidance system, which increases availability. Unlike some network technologies, such as packet radio, communication is not limited to line-of-sight distance. Connection oriented service is available in some cities, usually based upon a central hub topology. Frame Format The IP datagram is printed, on a small scroll of paper, in hexadecimal, with each octet separated by whitestuff and blackstuff. The scroll of paper is wrapped around one leg of the avian carrier. A band of duct tape is used to secure the datagram's edges. The bandwidth is limited to the leg length. The MTU is variable, and paradoxically, generally increases with increased carrier age. A typical MTU is 256 milligrams. Some datagram padding may be needed. Upon receipt, the duct tape is removed and the paper copy of the datagram is optically scanned into a electronically transmittable form. Discussion Multiple types of service can be provided with a prioritized pecking order. An additional property is built-in worm detection and eradication. Because IP only guarantees best effort delivery, loss of a carrier can be tolerated. With time, the carriers are self- regenerating. While broadcasting is not specified, storms can cause data loss. There is persistent delivery retry, until the carrier drops. Audit trails are automatically generated, and can often be found on logs and cable trays. Security Considerations Security is not generally a problem in normal operation, but special measures must be taken (such as data encryption) when avian carriers are used in a tactical environment. Author's Address David Waitzman BBN Systems and Technologies Corporation BBN Labs Division 10 Moulton Street Cambridge, MA 02238 Phone: (617) 873-4323 EMail: dwaitzman@BBN.COM Comment on RFC 1149 Comments about this RFC: RFC 1149: Any problems (security leaks) with stool pigeons? by JanneB (7/16/2003) RFC 1149: What is the effect of hunting season to reliability? by IRQ16 (10/31/2003) Previous: RFC 1148 - Mapping between X.400(1988) / ISO 10021 and RFC 822 Next: RFC 1150 - FYI on FYI: Introduction to the FYI Notes. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => EDITOR'S NOTE: The following was originally composed as radio copy for air on FEBRUARY 21st, 2004 in a feature entitled THE RANDOM ACCESS FILE over THIS WEEK IN AMATEUR RADIO, North America's premier amateur radio audio news service. Please click on the following: for additional details. Bill.> ............................................................................ => Listen to this: Everything old... Is new again. Did you hear this? Everything old... Is new again. BAH! Sorry. I don't buy it. How about this one: If you haven't seen it before... Then it's new to you. Did you copy this? Do you see what a pantload this is? A question: How does this apply to amateur radio? An answer: Amateur radio is a legion... a very small legion ...of old men. Mostly old men with some old women. And maybe just a few babies. I'm going to define "baby" here as anyone under the age of 40. But it's mostly old men who spend much of their free time peering backward into the past instead of exploring forward into the future with this hobby, much less thinking outside the box. Mostly old men. Hell, I'm an old man myself at 52. At the very least, I am a lot older than I was. Old enough and a ham long enough to be a member of the Quarter Century Wireless Association. But I'm not interested. Most of the hams in this country are now over 55. In the context of the religious TV zealot: THESE ARE THE END DAYS OF AMATEUR RADIO! No young ones... No apprentices.. No fledglings... Or at least, a very, very few. No one stepping onboard to join us and ultimately carry on for us mostly old men and some old women into the next generation. Perhaps the first clue drifted into focus say... two decades back. Maybe at your local ham club meeting, where, with some wringing of the hands, there was a steadily intensifying and temple throbbing realizaton that cable TV with its newborn Music Television was seducing our youth and stealing their very valuable discretionary time away. More time for the MTV........... Less time for the amateur radio. MTV's fraternal twin then emerges forth from the media womb. Home video games, PONG and Missle Command, act as electronic parasites to our Quasars, our Sonys, our Toshibas, our Pioneers and our Emersons. More time for the Atari......... Less time for the amateur radio. Easier to... *pay* ...for the MTV and the PONG...... Or at least for the parents to pay.................. Than to bone up on basic radio theory. And pound away at the straight key. The speculation at the meeting closes quickly because the featured speaker tonight is going to discuss the history of the Amphenol PL-259 connector. To any teen sitting in the crowd, he might as well take a hypodermic needle and insert toilet bowl cleaner directly into the jugular. Does anyone see this problem? If MTV and Atari did not chew up enough numbers of potential fledglings, then certainly the two Bills finished the job. The one Bill... Gates ...hand-delivered his not-quite-ready-for-prime-time Microsoft Windows 3.1 into our 1990's vintage TinkerToy PCs while the other Bill... Clinton ...opened the floodgates of a heretofore quite obscure, very esoteric but also very powerful global inter-exchange data network known to insiders as... Internet ...and of course, he pitched the whole schmear to the great unwashed as the "Super Information Highway". Another decade passes. 3.1 matures into XP. Unix morphs into 31 flavours of Linux. Atari passes the baton to XBOX, GameCube and PlayStation2. 25 pound bagphones give way to Nextel. More time for file sharing............ More time for Sonic the Hedgehog...... Certainy, less time for amateur radio. But again, the speculation at the meetng closes quickly because the featured speaker tonight is going discuss how to build a two-meter groundplane antenna out of couple of Dollar Store coat hangers. To any teen sitting in the crowd, he might as well take a hypodermic needle and insert toilet bowl cleaner directly into the jugular. We hams did good there for a while: Single sideband......... Solid state............. FM repeaters............ Packet radio............ Amateur radio satellites Hams in space........... Cool stuff! We dug it! The kids didn't. And then, while most of us hams sought to reminisce about the good ole' days with all those G*d-awful mold encrusted radio resurrection articles that still(!) play each month in the QST and the CQ... Every month, yet another face-the-rear compendium on the HeathKit DX100, the Collins 75A4, various ribbon microphones from the 1930's and the many ways you can scrape and expunge caked and crumbly rust from the five-watt resistors hand-soldered to the underside of a metal chassis. Meanwhile, commercial interests were quietly pioneering and exploiting things like: Trucked repeater systems...................... Cellular telephone environments............... 802.11 WIFI wireless computer networks........ Voice Over IP................................. Personal communications devices so small...... that you could easily drop them into a toilet. Cool stuff! We dig it! The kids dig it! It's transparent to the kids but they don't care. They just enjoy the end-user benefits. My number one and only son, Zachary, now at milepost 8 on his own personal expressway of life in the fast lane really gets into his brand-shiney-new Motorola T5950 FRS radios. The very expensive Motorola T5950 Family Service Radios. It's not ham radio but he does love to talk any chance he gets to his "friend who is a girl" Jessica, number one of two daughters belonging to our own George W2XBS. It's not ham radio but it is a start. The FRS appears to be a better deal than the 27 Megaycle CB hell-hole that many of us cut our eyeteeth on many moon ago. Mostly likely though, neither Zach nor Jess will ever enter the hallowed halls of hamdom, but maybe it's not such a big deal. There is so much more out there for them to explore. There may be no time for amateur radio. So much new technology. I'll bet in a year or two, Zach and Jess will pitch the FRS radios for the Nextels or maybe every one of those tiny little pocket phones with the TV screens so they can see each other in some kind of reasonable color. So tiny, that you know at least one of those phones will most likely be accidently dropped into a toilet. In the end for the rest of us... In the end days of amateur radio... There is nothing really wrong with being old. And nothing really wrong with reading about old things. And nothing really with doing old things. Just don't expect the kids to get involved. But every once in a blue moon sometimes, maybe one young fledgling may heed the call and so we must nurture the little grasshopper as best we can and shield the fledgling from our ugly and incestuous ham radio politics and petty turf squabbles but we should change the name from Elmer to Ozzie so he can better relate. After all, one new member is better than none. - 30 - :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: => If you are interested in sharing information on global amateur packet radio and amateur Internet devices -or- require additional detail on how to reach a specific locality, then please drop a line to the TELNET NEWS. The request will be researched and then published as soon as time allows. Please send thoughts and comments to: => My name is Bill and I thank you for reading the TELNET NEWS! => The TELNET NEWS/LAND LINE LID THIS WEEK is copyright (c) 2003. - 30 - ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::